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- IETF STEERING GROUP (IESG)
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- REPORT FROM THE TELECONFERENCE
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- JANUARY 23RD, 1992
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- Reported by:
- Greg Vaudreuil, IESG Secretary
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- This report contains
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- - Meeting Agenda
- - Meeting Attendees
- - Meeting Notes
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- Please contact IESG Secretary Greg Vaudreuil
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- ATTENDEES
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- Borman, David / Cray Research
- Chiappa, Noel
- Crocker, Dave / TBO
- Crocker, Steve / TIS
- Coya, Steve / CNRI
- Davin, Chuck / MIT
- Estrada, Susan / CERFnet
- Gross, Philip / ANS
- Hinden, Robert / BBN
- Hobby, Russ / UC-DAVIS
- Huizer, Erik / SURFnet
- Vaudreuil, Greg / CNRI
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- Guests
- Casner, Steven
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- Regrets
- Almquist, Philip / Consultant
- Reynolds, Joyce / ISI
- Stockman, Bernard / SUNET/NORDUnet
- Piscitello, Dave/ Bellcore
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- AGENDA
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- 1.0 Administrivia
- 1.1 Bash the Agenda
- 1.2 Approval of the Minutes
- 1.1.1 91-12-05 Sent Dec 10th
- 1.1.2 91-12-12 Sent Dec 13th
- 1.3 Schedule the Next Meeting
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- 2.0 Review of Action Items
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- 3.0 Protocol Actions
- 3.1 IP Type of Service
- 3.2 Appletalk AURP
- 3.3 TCP Extensions
- 3.4 UCP Trouble Ticket Functionality Wishlist
- 3.5 RFC 822 Message Extensions
- 3.6 SMDS to Draft Standard
- 3.7 Network Fax
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- 4.0 Technical Management Issues
- 4.1 Distinguished Name Teleconference review.
- 4.2 Interoperability testing at IETF meetings.
- 4.3 IAB Standards Process Document
- 4.4 RFC 931 User Authentication Protocol
- 4.5 Video transmission of IETF meetings.
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- 5.0 IESG Technical Evolution document.
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- 6.0 New Working Group Actions
- 6.1 MHS-DS (mhsds)
- 6.2 Routing Information Protocol V2 (ripv2)
- 6.3 Audio/Video Teleconferencing (avt)
- 6.4 DS1/DS3 MIB Revision (trunkmib)
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- MINUTES
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- 1) Administrivia
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- 1.1 Bash the Agenda
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- The agenda was well bashed, with the addition of several more
- protocol and technical management actions to this over-full agenda.
- Due to the lack of time available for such a full agenda, the IESG
- discussed new working group formation, Packet Audio, and then
- protocol actions. Most technical management issues and review of the
- earlier minutes were not undertaken.
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- 1.2 Review of the Minutes
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- A review of the minutes was deferred until a future meeting. The
- IESG discussed the possibility of meeting weekly for the following
- few weeks to clear up a backlog of work.
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- 1.3 Next Meeting
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- The next IESG meeting will be held February 6th, 1992.
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- 3) Protocol Actions
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- 3.1 Type of Service in the Internet
- <draft-almquist-tos-02.txt>
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- Philip Almquist was not able to attend this meeting. Discussion was
- postponed until February 6th.
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- 3.2 Appletalk Tunneling
- <draft-ietf-appleip-aurp-02.txt>
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- The current version of this document will not become a proposed
- standard. It is slated to become an Apple standard and is expected
- to be withdrawn from consideration from the IESG.
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- ACTION: Vaudreuil -- Communicate the withdrawal of AURP from standards
- consideration to the IETF.
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- 3.3 TCP-LW
- <draft-ietf-tcplw-tcpext-01.txt>
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- There is a small snag that appeared in the TCP document. There is
- concern over the particulars of the SAC option. The last call
- scheduled to be send will delayed until this issue is resolved.
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- 3.4 UCP Trouble Ticket Wishlist
- <draft-ietf-ucp-tt-01.txt>
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- This is a private document from Dale Johnson, however it have
- received a lot of comment from the UCP group. The IESG briefly
- discussed this and agreed that publication is long overdue.
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- POSITION: The User Connectivity Trouble Ticket Wishlist should be
- published as an informational RFC.
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- ACTION: Vaudreuil -- Send a "Notification" to the RFC Editor that the
- Trouble Ticket wishlist document is ready to be published as an
- informational RFC.
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- 3.5 RFC 822 Message Extensions
- <draft-ietf-822ext-messagebodies-03.txt>
- <draft-ietf-822ext-msghead-01.txt>
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- Due to lack of time, discussion on these documents was deferred. An
- offline discussion between Russ Hobby, Dave Crocker, and Greg
- Vaudreuil was scheduled to identify points of interest for the
- IESG.
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- 3.6 SMDS to Draft Standard
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- 3.6.1 The Transmission of IP Datagrams over the SMDS Service
- <RFC 1209> to Draft Standard
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- No information on the implementation and deployment status of RFC
- 1209. "The Transmission of IP Datagrams over the SMDS Service" has
- been received. Action was deferred until this information is
- available to the IESG.
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- 3.6.1 Definitions of Managed Objects for the SIP Interface Type
- <draft-ietf-snmp-smdssipmib-06> to Proposed Standard
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- This document was approved by the IESG. The recommendation to the
- IAB will be sent with the SMDS document when it is ready.
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- 3.7 Network Fax
- <draft-ietf-netfax-netimage-02.txt>
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- Discussion on this document was deferred due to lack of time.
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- 4) Technical Management Issues
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- 4.1 User Friendly Naming
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- Dave Crocker gave a brief report on the status of the effort to
- resolve questions raised by the IAB to the X.500 User Friendly
- Naming document. The assigned action items are actively being
- pursued.
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- 4.5 Video transmission of IETF meetings
-
- Steve Casner and Steve Deering joined the IESG teleconference to
- discuss the possibility of using packet audio and multicast to allow
- broadcast of the plenary sessions over the Internet. Steve Deering
- was patched into the conference by packet voice over the Dartnet.
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- The technology demonstrated by Deering and Casner during this
- meeting requires IP tunneling through non-multicast IP routers. A
- limited pilot demonstration can be established by designating
- specific multicast "exploder" routers. The IESG was interested in
- knowing if this pilot would be widely publicized as a general
- service or limited to a select few people.
-
- ACTION: Gross, Coya -- Investigate the possibility and nature of
- establishing a "Pilot Experiment" of broadcasting IETF meeting plenary
- audio via UDP multicast.
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- ACTION: Gross -- Investigate the possibility of putting multicast
- software on the ANS UNIX based Routers for the July IETF meetings.
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- 5) IESG Technical Evolution Document.
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- Discussion of the IESG Technical Evolution document was deferred
- until a future meeting due to lack of time.
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- 6) New Working Group Actions
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- 6.1 MHS-DS
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- X.400 flat level 7 routing tables are growing too large to be
- maintained and distributed. The X.400 pilot is in danger of
- collapsing due to the excessive size. To continue, a directory based
- system is needed in the near term. Work is going on in the CCITT on
- this topic, but, there is a feeling that this may be too little to
- late. CCITT folks have been invited to participate in the Working
- Group.
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- This Working Group will focus on getting X.500 directory services
- applied to the X.400 pilot. European production X.400 systems have
- been dealing with this problem as well, and coordination will be
- sought. The Working Group is co-chaired by an North American and a
- European.
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- ACTION: Vaudreuil -- Announce the MHS-DS working group to the IETF.
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- 6.2 Routing Information Protocol
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- Gary Malkin has a desire to update RIP to allow it to handle
- security, and subnet masks to serve for small domains. A BOF was
- held and the community expressed interest in this effort. Bob Hinden
- and Noel Chiappa agree that this effort has merit and should
- proceed.
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- The IAB members on the IESG-TECH mailing list have been notified
- that the IESG is considering this working group. The IAB is likely
- to push back on this effort in terms of the evolving the addressing
- and routing architecture. The IESG chair anticipates eventual IAB
- approval of the effort provided the protocol meets the requirements
- for modern routing protocols. There is a rational reason for a
- small scale routing protocol.
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- Dave Crocker proposed that the IAB be asked for explicit buy-in on
- each working group. The idea is that if the IAB approves the
- working group, then it does not have basis to reject the work
- product of that working group on architectural grounds. The IAB
- still exercises a final quality control check on any standards
- document. The IESG rejected the notion that the IAB needs to approve
- the IESG action, however the IESG will actively solicit comments on
- the wisdom of a working group from the IAB.
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- POSITION: Working group proposals should be sent to the IESG and the
- IAB rather than just the IESG-TECH mailing list with an explicit
- invitation to the IAB to comment upon the Working group before the
- IESG approved the working group.
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- ACTION: Vaudreuil -- Announce the RIP version 2 working group to the
- IETF.
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- 6.3 Audio/Video Teleconferencing
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- This working group grew out of BOF held at the Santa Fe IETF. This
- effort aims to align the various experimental video/audio over UDP
- protocols to promote interoperability. The Working Group will
- attempt define protocols above the transport layer in a manner which
- is consistent with migrating to more optimal transport when it
- becomes available.
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- The IESG discussed the scope of this group. The boundary between
- research and engineering was explored. There appear to be two
- questions. 1) What does the packet look like, and 2) how do you get
- it to there. The IESG felt that the current working group focused
- on standardizing packet formats and applications was OK.
- Exploration of high speed transport is still a research topic.
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- ACTION: Vaudreuil-- Announce the Audio/Video teleconferencing working
- group to the IETF once a new charter reflecting the clear distinction
- between packet format and transport is provided to the IESG.
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- 6.4 DS1, DS3 MIB Revision
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- The DS1 and DS3 mibs are at the Proposed level. On the way to Draft
- standard, these documents need some revision. This Working Group is
- chartered to revise the Mibs and to coordinate and align with the
- IEEE to the maximum degree reasonable.
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- ACTION: Vaudreuil -- Announce the DS1/DS3 MIB Revision Working Group to
- the IETF.
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